i know with the rabid popularity of prohormones this day in age in the world of the after work special bodybuilder it now has lifters wondering if they can take traditional orals without the procedure of having to "pin". this in all cases is still a bad idea. it does in turn shut down test production all the same. I am one of those guys who have taken prohos and now i look back on it i feel it was a mistake and wish i would have just ran the classic test 10-12 week cycle. that first cycle is always the best and one you can never get back. if you decide to run something start with the basics, do it right then later add a oral to your test base.